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Dear Pro-life Atheists and Agnostics:

As the director of a secular Pro-life Group in the Capital District of New York--Citizens Concerned for Human Life, Inc. (CCHL)--I've often heard rumors about Pro-life atheists, but I've only gotten to meet three over the years and all of them eventually entered into a spiritual discipline.

So it is nice to know that are several of you out there since it is vital to the credibility of the Pro-life message that it be articulated on common-decency and human rights grounds.

If you speak out, you will do much good not only in thwarting the carnage but in teaching those of us who are not atheists that the Pro-life message is bigger than any one epistemology.

I salute you all.

Dennis J. Wolterding
Citizens Concerned for Human Life, Inc. (CCHL)

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Murder is murder... there's no difference between killing an unborn child and one who's already went through the birth canal into the world. It doesn't take someone who believes in any religion to have common sense. And if a woman doesn't want a baby, she needs to use birth control!! That's a choice!

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BTW Abortion = Adultry = Child Molesters = Homosexuality = Bestiality!

Who knowing the judgment of God,
that they which commit such things are worthy of death,
not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them!
How can ye escape the damnation of hell?

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In case you hadn't realized the obvious fact, Marty Lineberry is a troll who scours the Web for "suspect" guestbooks in which to deposit his drivel and to post the link to his bible-thumping, piece-of-crap web site. He signed my personal site's guestbook on 3 March 2002; another of his victims also signed that guestbook on 20 June 2002 while searching for more info on ol' Marty.

He accessed the AAPL Homepage at 16:09:04 EDT on a Google search for "pro abortion guestbook," and went straight to our Guestbook Central at 16:09:22 EDT (18 seconds). From the main guestbook page, he accessed "Sign the Guestbook" at 16:09:31 EDT (9 seconds) and submitted his standard trollistry at 16:10:40 EDT (69 seconds). His visit lasted about 1 minute, 36 seconds according to our access logs.

And he wasn't finished! Using the same Google search for "pro abortion guestbook," he also accessed our Site Map at 16:20:02 EDT from which he accessed "View the Guestbook" at 16:20:10 EDT. Finally, at 16:58:22 EDT, on yet another Google search for "pro choice guestbook abortion," he accessed our Pro-life and Anti-abortion Connections links page which no doubt provided him with additional victims.

-- Matt Wallace, Founder/Webmaster

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I was re-energized in my commitment to a consistent life ethic by watching a moving video documentary last night called "The Witness," which deals with animal cruelty. (You can find a copy at tribeofheart.com.) It's hard to find others who are pro-life, anti-death penalty, *and* ethics-rooted vegetarians, but it's even harder to find pro-lifers who aren't religious fanatics. That's why this site is such a breath of fresh air to this staunch agnostic.

I probably couldn't become a member here, though, since I believe that the way to end violence, to the unborn and all others, is through changning minds and hearts, and not necessarily laws. I believe that society needs to get to the root of *why* people perpetuate violence against other beings and *show* them the consequences of their actions (such as sharing graphic images from abortion clincs and slaughterhouses) so that they won't even *want* to continue to engage in those actions. Enacting certain bans won't change people's minds; it will just make them even more angry (which perpetuates their violence-oriented mindsets) and they'll head off somewhere else where abortion is still legal.

That's my two cents.

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Yes! We DO have a most loving God! ...if you'd (plural) respect Him, which few do anymore.

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Thank you for an excellent site. Finding a kindred spirit who shares my non-theistic pro-life stance has been very encouraging. My problem with legalised abortion is simply this : if you accept that an unborn conceptus is living then it becomes ethically unacceptable to wilfully terminate it. The mother (or other family member) does not have the moral or ethical right to make a judgement about whether the fetus should be allowed to keep living. The law in America and in most other "civilised" countries makes explicit provisions for the protection of those who cannot assert or defend their own rights e.g. the mentally or physically incapacitated, animals etc. I feel that unborn fetuses should similarly be protected by law. The law does not recognise the right of selfish careers to be unburdened by euthanising their handicapped wards. Similarly, the law should not allow selfish mothers to wash their hands of their responsibility to their unborn children.

So far, this apparent contradiction in the law has been side-stepped by the pro-choice lobby by sophistical quibbling about the "legal", "ethical" or "spiritual" definition of the commencement of human life, but it should be realised that this is an entirely arbitrary and self-serving cutoff that has no basis in scientific fact.

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I'm another atheist (who also happens to be gay) who is pro-life. It's always a boost to find those who believe that the fundamental human right to life, from conception to natural death, exists who share many of my same views.

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You don;t know the pain of an unwanted pregnancy. Birth control fails. i got pregnant. My husband and i know that a child brought into this world by us would grow up poor and unwanted. That is not something i wish to subject a person to, so i had an abortion. It was emotionally draining, but now i feel it was one of the best decisons i've ever made. Please don't tell me what is best for my life.

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I am a Christian (*gasp*), but I do enjoy your site. The reason? I, like many other visitors, are tired of the Pro-Life culture being strictly a religious culture. It is refreshing to see non-Christians fighting for the lives of those who have no voice. Thank you for you!

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I am an agnostic and after the birth of my son who is disabled, my beliefs became even stronger.

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I think it's important that the scientific and medical perspectives of the pro-life argument be displayed and advanced. I am a religious person without any doubt, and I can base most things, events, and actions in the world into moral categories. I am very conservative, and I am very much opposed to government power in most areas beyond enforcement of the law and defense, especially power given larger and broader forms of government. Despite my religious convictions, I will not use religion to argue the pro-life case, unless I get into a wider discussion on religion. I focus myself only on what the atheists and socialists with whom I'm arguing might believe. They care not for the Bible or any other scripture, and since morality is a much harder concept to which to hold many of them, I try to focus on more concrete subjects like anti-murder statutes, medical science, and the application of law. Focusing on objectively agreed-upon facts like 'murder should be illegal' is a nice springboard, and then I use science and law and logic the rest of the way. I would suspect that many members of this group would also use scientific methods to argue their point, so I have much sympathy for you all, even if I certainly will not agree with many of your views.

I have begun referring people to this site, as well as Feminists For Life, in an attempt to show them that being pro-life is not restricted to the Christian or the conservative, even though I would most commonly be described as both. Thanks a lot for running this site, it's important for people to know the variety of opinions within the pro-life movement.

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Your site provides great support, of a "right to life," for the unborn. I am but one of many volunteers with AbortionTV.com, an educational site that seeks to educate youth and all adults to the scientific [ugly & deadly] truth of abortion. The educational content of AbortionTV is scientific, not religious. As we post graphic photos and videos, a minimum age of 12 years is mandated to view the site. Our site forum, "Yell At Us," welcomes email comment from all view points. We post both pro-life and pro-choice opinion. It is important to note that individual opinions posted on "Yell At Us," are those of the writers. Many pro-life and some pro-choice writers write in religous context. This misleads some to misconstrue AbortionTV as just another religous pro-life site. This is not so. Most members & friends of the Atheist and Agnostic Pro-Life League will understand, science and human decency need no help from religion to prove abortion is terribly and deadly wrong. I welcome all to visit AbortionTV.com to "Tune Into the Truth."

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Even though I am a Christian, I was very happy to find this site. Very informative, with a nontheist bent. I am happy to see that anyone can oppose abortion, no matter the belief (or lack of belief) held. Thank you for this site.

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I am a agnostic, but love chidren, advocate Southern independence from the United States of America, am pro-gun, pro-life, and sell flowers. Can find me at Gray's Florist on Main Street, Cowpens, South Carolina.

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I'm an agnostic communist and own shares in an abortion clinic. I'm making a fortune.

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Hmm, I don't think I've used "Alfred E. Neuman" as a pseudonym/nom de guerre since I was in high school, and that was 23 years ago. And a "communist" with an individual ownership stake in any sort of property and proudly making a profit doing so!? But then again, communist goverments are historically the most genocidal type, so I suppose a communist would naturally have an interest in an abortuary. What, me worry?

--Matt Wallace, Founder/Webmaster

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I am not an atheist (more agnostic) but I oppose abortion for purely secular (logical) reasons. Thanks for the site. Keep it up.

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While I appreciate (and share) Matts pro-life ideology, I cannot accept that as a self-proclaimed secular humanist, he is indeed an atheist. A secular humanist worships human life; most, I dare say, more ardently than most "Christians" worship God. It is shocking to find many "atheists" who've signed this guestbook imagining surprise on the part of a "religious fanatic" who discovers that there are pro-life non-Christians in the world. Do they really believe that Christians think of themselves as having cornered the market on the sanctity of human life? Of course a humanist of sound mind would also be pro-life. Those that are not can be lumped into the same group as pro-choice Christians, i.e. not rationally thinking about what abortion really is. Its the murder of a human.

Because a fetus cannot live outside of the womb, it is labeled non-viable by the pro-choice gang. Therefore, I too am non-viable, as is the reader of these comments. We cannot live outside of our sheltered environment. Try a few days in the Sahara. Pitch a tent on the moon for a while. Is the fetus incapable of rational thought, and therefore non-viable? Then why not legalize abortion up until, say, one year of age?

I dont find it hard to believe in the existence of those who deny God, yet hate murder. What does surprise me is that there are those who really believe that any human has the right to kill another out of convenience. What do you atheists believe is enabling the pro-choice gang to convince themselves that those pictures weve all seen arent really children, but masses of tissue? IM a mass of tissue too. Its HUMAN tissue. How can they live with themselves? What is their sedative? Surly not all pro-aborts are evil. Surely they dont believe they have a right to kill anyone they choose to kill. They must be misled, or at least shielded from the truth. I ask you, by whom or what? Is it inherent human evil? Is it Satan? What is it?

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I love the theme of your site. So many people stereotype atheists as non-respectors of life. Your site is a great way to show them otherwise! Thanks!

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"lucy" is "heather" who signed on 8 March 2002; same URL, same ASN, same MO. She is so oblivious to the actual content of the sites she's spamming that she probably had no idea that she had signed this guestbook previously. Waste my bandwidth again, dear, and there will be consequences.

--Matt Wallace, Founder/Webmaster

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IF A PERSON IS IN SERIOUS SERIOUS PAIN EVERYDAY AND IT HAS GOT TO THE BREAKING POINT WHERE IT CAN'T BE HANDLED ANYMORE THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DIE IT IS STILL A RIGHT AND IT'S THERES THEIR LIFE DOES NOT BELONG TO THE RIGHT TO LIFE GROUPS IT BELONGS TO THE PERSON WHO IS IN PAIN NOT RIGHT TO LIFE GROUPS THE PERSON WHO IS IS PAIN THEIR RIGHT NO ONE ELSES THEY DON'T HAVE TO LIVE DAY BY DAY IN PAIN IF THEY "DON'T" WANT TO ITS THEIR RIGHT TO DIE IF THAT PERSON WANT TO

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I would gladly have responded to Sam Scuce's moralistic comments had he left a web address.

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I agree with you, but i must disagree as well. I believe that people should have their choice. I also believe that abortion is wrong and evil, but that doesn't change the fact that a woman has her body and she should have the right to choose. yes, i'm agnostic, and yes, i believe in anarchy, but it'd never work...

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In response to Bradley, who seems to believe that because we oppose abortion, we're afraid of sexuality - It's beyond apparent to me that you value your sexuality above human life!! Me and my girlfriend use birth control and are not "afraid of our sexuality", so to speak =), but if she were to become pregnant, we would not be so callous as to place our desire for a lasting good time above that CHILD's (not fetus, CHILD) right to life. I do not believe that I can rampantly destroy anything that annoys me simply because I do not believe in a god or gods. Perhaps Bradley should approach his sense of morality with the same skepticism that he approaches religion =)

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Hey Sam, why don't you fill out a Membership Form on your next visit!?
--Matt Wallace, Founder/Webmaster

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I am neither atheist or agnostic, but a Catholic, and it really makes me feel good that there are people that have different religious convictions agree with me on this subject. From viewing the guestbook, I spotted a blurb about the Church from a user called Stan. From the Church's and my view, Stan, you aren't necessarily evil if you reject the Church. You are your own person, and those are your beleifs. Who am I to mess with those opinions? But according to my religion, God is superior to you, and in His eyes you rejecting Him is evil. But Stan, if you don't think there is a God, what is there for you to worry about buddy? Obviously, you can't be agnostic if you are afraid of God punishing you for not believing in Him. Although I don't agree with you on religious views, I deeply respect you for them, and admire you for coming out and speaking against abortion. But please, keep the sarcastic comments to yourself. I don't talk against your beleifs. Thanks.

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Don't you think that being anti-abortion only reflects the anti's discomfort with human sexuality? That sort of thinking is a religion thing. Perhaps "pro-life atheists" should approach their dearly cherished beliefs on this subject with the same skepticism as they approach traditional religion.

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Hmmm...Although it is something I see every day, I have never understood how someone can call himself/herself a "social and fiscal conservative" and also be pro-life. Conservatives routinely support political actions that provide corporate welfare to companies that pollute, and pass up opportunities to cut pollution because it is "too exspensive." Promoting unabashed capitalism also strengthens our dependence on labor and other resources obtained by exploiting impoverished and war-torn countries. Finally, fiscal conservativism encourages the growth of the huge disparity in the distribution of wealth in the United States, depositing 90 percent of the generated income into the pockets of the wealthiest 5%. American Conservatives are at the apex of a global pyramid scheme, built on the suffering of the rest of the nation and the rest of the world. If you are going to support policies that render the planet virtually unlivable to 99.9 percent of its inhabitants, the very least you can do is allow those people the courtesy of never having to be born into your amoral sqalor. Calling oneself both "conservative" and "pro-life" reveals an unbelievably deep hypocrisy. At least Christians have a convoluted and self-contradicting sourcebook for their misguided morality. It is very sad to me that you arrived at this silly and irresponsible conclusion on your own without the degenerative influence of religion.

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I am a christian

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Hmm, "heather" obviously had nothing better to do with her high school lunch period than spamming guestbooks of atheist web sites. One would think that her time would have been better spent nourishing her desperately starved brain! She found the site on a Google search for "atheist guestbook." According to the access logs, her visit lasted less than one minute; this was just long enough to make a guestbook entry but was certainly wholly inadequate to gain any appreciation of the site. Yes, she sought out our site simply to post the link to her web page which is nothing more than an "accept Jesus or go to Hell" proselytization! This is the behavior of an "Internet troll," not a "Netizen." Please children, don't ever do this.
--Matt Wallace, Founder/Webmaster

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Great site, I discovered my site links to your site so I must have been here before? I had a read of some of the guestbook entries and I have to say that my site is a strong logic and fact based, well reasoned and argued pro-life site devoid of religious overtones, there is a small amount of material that has religious info so to cater for visitors looking for that but overall, it is designed to have wide appeal. I suggest people check it out as one article on it in particular has won international acclaim it is called Abortion as Arbitrary Killing, it is a very academic logical analysis of the pro-abortion arguments from a rational (yes, non-theistic) angle. If you are serious about opposing abortion, you must read this article!

Anyway, I saw some great articles here and really want to commend you. I am a Christian but I totally get the need to argue from the perspective of the hearers belief system which is why SOUL's resources are based on logic not the Word.

I must say, I got some hefty criticism for including your link on my site from one commentator - the criticism should still be on my debate board page if you care to look. I defended our decision to have links to non-stereotypical pro-life pages (yes there is more than one non-theistic pro-life site out there) for exactly the reasons your site and some guestbook contributers point out, for the most part it is not the Christians who need convincing, so why argue using Christian motifs?

Finally regarding your non-theistic status, I am not sure that your position is coherent, you hold to sound ethical positions, yet reject the ontology that make these positions plausible in the first place. This of course says nothing against any of the ethical viewpoints proposed on this site. If anything it calls into question your metaphysics.

Would love to have you come visit SOUL and check into our debate board, we have a regular contributer who researches for one of the pro-choice groups in New Zealand who I would love to see come up against a non-theistic pro-lifer...

Cheers, Mads :-)

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Check out my website, there is much resourceful information on it. Anyone is welcome also to join my YAHOO!Group, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/choose-life/. I also have a bi-monthly newsletter, it is very interesting. Be sure to check out my site. Thanks, Joe Sylvester

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Prolife is very practical common sense stuff. "Solely the Catholic Church" argument has been neatly applied. I plea that they take off the blinders and leave the Pope alone. Thanks for being here!

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I'm a strong atheist. I'm a 35-y.o. birthmother who's stood firmly on her pro-life convictions twice (contraceptive/poor choice of father failures both times!). OPEN ADOPTION ROCKS! I'm an Objectivist and Libertarian who thinks abortion is "pro-death" but that the state has no right to make laws about it one way or another. I weep for the women who feel they have no choice but to get an abortion. I'll work for the day when the choices are available to them. I wouldn't have been able to get help myself if I hadn't been "religious" at the time.

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I enjoyed reading the guestbook. My heart aches for those who feel a baby is a parasite and that "choosing" abortion will be the cure to their unplanned pregnancy. Thank you for your work in the pro-life movement.

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I am a Christian theist and I am thrilled to find this site. Many times in my debates with "pro-choicers" my views are pushed aside as religiously based or dogma. The fact is, I make every effort to remove religion from my arguments, recognizing full well that more times than not my opponent does not accept those grounds. I emphasize both logic and science as the basis of my stand, but to no avail,... it is easier for many to brush aside crushing arguments as religious fluff than deal with the argument itself. This site is a valuable find, and I WILL send people here next time someone tries to discard my arguments. Thanks. (As for my comment on "evil",... well,... that's standard Christian doctrine. The total depravity of man. What can I tell ya?... Peace.)

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I think this site is refreshing in some ways. With me being Christian and pro-life many of my friends think that I have been "brainwashed" into thinking that abortion is wrong. It's nice to know that there are so many non-christians that have the same views that I do and I commend you.

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Keep speaking out on behalf of innocent lives!

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Great site! www.gotpetsonline.com

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I didn't know about AAPL but you prove that one does NOT have to be Mother Theresa or John Paul II to oppose the greatest evil in the world today. Good on yer, mate!

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I am a clinic worker and a freethinker. I guess it takes all kinds, but I never thought I would find a freethinker who was anti-choice. We are known for our liberal policys, but I guess being a Republican and a conservative would put you in the "family values" group. Husbay is a Humanist Society of which I am a board member. If you are interested check us out at our URL. Hey! We even take conserative Republicans. Nobody will hold that against you.

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Finally a site with logic and sensibility..very interesting and informative...REFRESHING! Peace and love to all and please visit me as you will love what you see....

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Although I am a Christian, I was very intrigued by your site. I have been looking to strengthen my pro-life position from a secular point of view, and your site will be helpful for that. Do you know of any other sites like yours that defend the life of the unborn from a secular point of view? Thanks.

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Hi I am a pro-choicer and secular humanist! It is strange to see a secular humanist who is a pro-lifer! Don't you support human rights? It is human's body. Noone can order a pregnant woman what to do with her body and whatever in it!

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Why do you have links to Christian sites if you are Atheist?

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Hey Tim, probably because they signed the guestbook and left their URLs.
-- Matt Wallace, Founder/Webmaster

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I am an atheist and I don't understand how anyone who is for freethought can be against giving people their rights to do what they like with their lives as long as they aren't harming another person's property or body. I guess I just don't agree that a fetus should count as an actual "human" until it's a born baby. Just my opinion, though. You are, of course, free to your opinions as well! That's how I wish things always were in life. Nice site, though. : ) ~Poppie

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A good site! And no youre not the only atheist fighting against this murderous practice! Keep up the good work!

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Uhhhh......OK......sure......whatever. Only on the Internet would a crank find this guestbook on a search for "the existance of satan with message boards" and leave a message spreading that crankery. OH MY LACK OF GOD, THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST HAS INSERTED ITSELF INTO THIS RESPONSE!!!
-- Matt Wallace, Founder/Webmaster

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I find it humorous that whenever I tell people I am prolife, they automatically assume I am Christian (even though I am). I'm finally glad to find some people who have the sense to argue abortion from a nontheistic point of view. Sure, I'm a religious man, but I just don't see the point in shoving God into the faces of pro-choicers, it does no side any good at all and most of them don't even believe in God so before convincing them that abortion is wrong you have to try and convince them that God exists which is a very rare occurance. Hopefully with this site I can refine my arguements and better argue the horror and evil of abortion without having to rely on my faith. Thanks for what you're doing, I wish you the best of luck.

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I just visited this time for 2 reasons, one to read you guestbook and some of the webmaster comments. They are great! I am pro-life and a Catholic as I think I mentioned before. I visited around 9/22/2001, so it hasn't made it to your server yet. The second reason I visited was I have been on DemocraticUnderground, a very liberal political forum and was reading their 'Reproductive Rights' forum and found some people on there actually pro-life but getting beat to death with the old standby argments, control of women, 'I can do what I want with my body', etc. They also seem to equate pro-life with evangalistic religion and conservatives. I am developing an argument against their 'standard' arguments and will probably provide a link to your site. I think your guestbook has the best 'real' responses. I know they're all over the lot, but they sound like real people, not a bunch of 'made up' testimonials. Anyway that's my reason for visiting, and I'll probably be back again. Note: it does seem as though your question 'Are we evil' kinda throws people, but keep it in there as not too many people get asked that, it makes them think! Peace Pat

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Obviously I'm not an atheist but I greatly appreciate your service to the pro-life cause.

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I cannot join you since I do not qualify per requirement 1 of your three requirements. I can understand, but I can't join you. I never knew such a site existed. Wow! Good luck in your endeavors. Abortion, mercy killing, war and the death penalty are to me not only wrong but unnecessary. I have a whole philosophy on that myself. Many don't agree with me and I have to argue long and hard to convince them. I am a mostly conservative Democrat. Peace be with you. Pat

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I hope your site lets christians know that atheists have morals too. Personally, I find the bible to be a very disturbing book.

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It is good to see someone who can see the problems with abortion without opening the Bible, although the Bible is truly the final say. Most athiests are too self-centered to care about life, so they like the idea of abortion.

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I think this is a great site...With that in mind since Atheism is alot like Modern Satanic Philosophy i would like to invite you all to come check out our online message board and if you wish register and debate and interact with other like minds...:)

Yours Sincerly Soul_Searcher ( James )

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Excellent site. I am a conservative agnostic. It is good to know that there are others like me. I despise abortion but shy away from pro-life groups because of their theological beliefs. It seems that society feels that if you are a conservative with a respect for life and freedom ,you must be a religious fanatic. These so-called conservatives like W.F. Buckley insist that in order to be a conservative you must be a bible-thumper. Converesely many agnostics/atheists feel that if you are pro-life and conservative you must be a religious fanatic! We are trapped in the middle. Arthur C. Clarke said that morality has been hijacked by religion. I think religion has hijacked conservatism also. Conservatism and agnosticism/atheism go hand in hand---they are both based in reality, not wishful thinking.

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I've been agnostic for about 20 years now, so I'm kind of like the "Lost Patrol". It suits me, though, because I like to remain open to all possibilities. Maybe someday the clouds will part and reveal everything to me, and of course I'll immediately come and post it all here on this website.

I've been prolife for about 10 years. That happened when a former fiance of mine aborted our child against my wishes. Until then I was unconcerned. Now it seems very important to me, and I'm not even sure why. I just know it is.

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boys boys. when will you ever realize that you just can't have control over women. you don't have to be religious to want to rule a woman's life. we are not your baby incubators. we are equal to you. i know that might threaten your manhood but soon i hope you will face that demon and get over it. i think it's great that you have a pro life opinion. but the minute you cross over and try to force your will on me, you've gone too far. so go ahead preach about the evils of abortion all you want, but keep it at that. don't tell me what i can and can't do with my body. :P

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Though "Asher" may have visited AAPL previously, prior to signing the guestbook, she viewed only the homepage which she accessed through a web directory (Open Directory - Society: Issues: Abortion: Pro-Life: Organizations). I rather doubt she entertained enough of AAPL's "pov" to find it "interesting" as her comments are nothing but a trite, radical feminist, "Pro-lifers are just men trying to dominate women," pro-abortion rant. Had she gone to our members page, she would have seen that many of our members are women including Doris Gordon, founder of Libertarians for Life, and Jen Roth, founder and webmistress of Leftout. I suspect "Asher" is nothing but an Internet crank out to spam "anti-choice" web sites.
--Matt Wallace, Founder/Webmaster

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Although I am neither an atheist nor agnostic, I was happy to see the pro-life movement from a different perspective. The religious angle may work for many, but it instantly turns off anyone who has chosen not to accept a religion. Hopefully you can reach these people.

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Evangelical Christian here. Enjoy your site. Keep up the good work. You might consider sending some of this info to your local newspapers and such. If they are consistent in the way they look for alternative views and divisions with Christiandom (like on school prayer and abortion) they'd probably be interested in your views as well.

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Hi, You are not the only ones who oppose abortion based on a non-religious approach. I find it totally irresponsible to treat human life this lightly.

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When I was a little I used to have to go to sunday school. I didn't like it one bit and had to find out what else was out there. So finally when I turned nine I started to get into satanic music and into the devil. As I got older I started my own theory as to why God is a stupid egotistical dumbass. I came on this site looking for answers. I guess I found some, but not enough. If anyone who reads this has any helpful information as to if there is really a god or satan please E-mail me your info. I'm just another one of those people that everyone hates because I HATE god.

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well I am a christain once pro abortion. Interesting site indeed. take care Merle

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I think you're doing a good job. The truth cannot be denied. What's the problem is that our consumer society wants a quick fix for all of "problems."

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I think it's great to see a secular defense of human life. I am an agnostic prolifer, and I believe that the "religious right" image attributed to the prolife movement does much to keep abortion legal. We need more diversity and more logical, scientific argument in support of prenatal human rights; I think you're doing a very good thing by contributing.

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I am a pro-life Christian, so I do not agree with your believe of there not being a God. However, since I am pro-life, I am glad that you are too. It (you being pro-life) also blows to bits the idea that all pro-lifers are religious ones! It just goes to show that other people than the "normal" pro-lifers see the terribleness of abortion.

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Fr. Frank Pavone told us about you at the National Right to Life Convention in Charlotte, North Carolina at the Adams Mark Hotel on June 30, 2001, during his keynote speech. We gave you a rousing round of applause.

Next year, the National Right to Life Organization will host a Convention in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Please consider planning to come and please consider hosting a booth.

We are all in this together. We are fighting shoulder to shoulder to protect the lives of those who cannot protect themselves. We respect the lives of those who are in the abortion business. We definitely respect their right to live, even though we believe what they are doing is profoundly wrong. Where there is life there is hope. Some of our best workers and friends are those who were once in the abortion business. But we have to fight this business, and we have to fight euthanasia, and all the death camp type medical procedures because life is sacred, and life is so worth respecting.

Thank you for doing what you can to protect life and fight for the rights of those who are unable to protect themselves.

Sincerely yours, JCH

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I'm a born-again non-believer; I don't believe in anything attached to theism, even atheism. I see no evidence of deities, and even if they or just one exists it makes no difference in my life. I'm also absolutely pro-life, working for the total and without-exception abolition of abortion, the greatest injustice since slavery.

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Your organization and your message are absolutely essential to the success of the effort in our nation to end abortion. I am the National Director of "Priests for Life," a large Catholic prolife group. We are firmly committed to working with everybody who opposes abortion, and are grateful that this message finds expression from our non-theist brothers and sisters.

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How can you say there is no God..Why are you against abortion..If you dont beieve in GOD, THEN WHY DO YOU WORRY ABOUT INNOCENT BABIES DEATHS..One of these days after the tribulation period you will know for sure that there is a GOD, HEAVEN AND HELL..I know one thing for sure..I will be with the Lord..Where will you be when you die?Heaven or Hell..By denying God you are making a choice to serve in HELL.. Oh by the way.God created them babies..Satan is killing them.Satan is who is telling you that there is no God..DO YOU CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS? I BET YOU DO..

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If you don't mind my saying so, I really think you're going to Heaven. You're defending human life, not for fear of hell, not expecting to be rewarded in Heaven, but because you care. Although I wish you could enjoy the benefits of a religious faith, I believe you already possess the spirit and essence of God's love, more than some who profess a religious faith. Thank you for being there when proabortion advocates won't listen to religious people - I'm grateful you're on the prolife team and I know you're making a difference.

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Hi, it is nice to see pro-life atheists and agnostics. I am PL, too, and Catholic, though I am not a strict one. It is nice to see that those of us who hold religious beliefs and those who do not can have some common ground.

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I don't think very highly of "Pro-lifers against clinic violence".I believe in ending abortion, as Malcom X put it:"By Any Means necessary".Ending LEGALISED abortion is my ultimate goal,but any tactic that ends abortion in even a DE-FACTO way is good to me.(Even if, to some people, the tactic in question would seem to get in the way of the Ultimate Goal.)

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Ah, there IS such a thing as a pro-life atheist! EVERYBODY seems to think abortion is a freedom that religious control-freaks are with-holding from us. EVERY other issue in the Humanist magazine is discussed as to being right or wrong. But the procedure of abortion is deleted completely and pictures of doctors all bloody are printed as an example of violence. Any issue but abortion, and the magazines and chat groups will discuss how the structure of society suppresses all that is good for human well-being. Breastfeeding, boy scouts, anything.

I wish that people would stop equating consideration for a fetus with belief in god, and start thinking whether abortion is NECESSARY. If everybody sexually active had contraceptives, then you add up all the people whose contraceptive didn't work, or became pregnant because of rape, or babies who are orphaned--and the number falls far short of the women and men wishing to adopt!

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While I disagree with your viewpoints on the existence of God, I agree with you that the protection of human life is definitely important, as human life is precious. Your view says that this is all there is, hence we must protect it. My view says that humanity has a special place in the whole of Creation (whether or not it occurred as Creation by Evolution). However, I see you as having an important place in the Pro-Life movement, as you can help us religious folks to understand reasons for the secular defence of life.

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i think this site is great... really. GO [whomever (atheists, theists, etc.)] for life!

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You believe in life because life is all that there is. It is puzzling to me that you don't wonder about where that life came from. Even the most ardent evolutionists admit that it is virtually impossible for life to come from non-living sources. Incidentally I agree that life is all that exists BUT God is life also and created it.

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That last question was kind of weird and through off my whole idea of this site...I didn't think you were evil...hmmm...I just thought it was cool that you guys were pro-life...what's up with the insecurity>>>>

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I am a right to choose advocate, meaning I do not believe anyone has the right to tell us what to do with our bodies. You are no other person should be able to make decisions for others. I think that every Pro-life individual that thinks abortion is wrong should have to adopt a child that was to be aborted. People are very quick to try to force others to have children they are not ready for, but are not there when they are forced to collect food stamps and get AFDC to take care of the child. maybe pro-lifers should have to live part of the life of an unwanted child, to see what it is like. Pro-lifers , dig out your wallets and purses and pay for the unwanted children you want to create. Think about the child that will get beat because you want to force the mother to have it. All the kids that are forced to be born will not all have rosy , lovey dovey type lives, remember that. People in your cults stop caring once the child is born, remember that child is going to need allot of care after.

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I am a former agnostic (now Roman Catholic) and am very excited to see a secular defense for life. It makes us religous types feel that our arguments also have a strong logical basis. Keep up the good work.

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You people are the stupidest bunch of misfits I have ever met! Abortion is NOT EVIL! What if you got raped? Would you like to have a rapist's child? What if you were told you were going to die if you had this child? Would you still want it? I wouldn't. And what's more you say abortion is killing a child. You can't kill something that isn't alive. It is a little bundle of skin with ten cells. It does not have a heartbeat. If you remove the embryo, it dies. It is a PARASITE!

And also I am an athiest and I am proud of it. I have never killed anyone in the name of Jesus Christ, nor killed people you said were witches with no proof whatsoever.

If I ever got to be like you assholes, I would shoot myself.

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"alida" obviously felt that it was so very important to share her(?) thoughts that she immediately checked the guestbook to see if they had posted. When she discovered that they hadn't, she resubmitted them on Thursday, 19 April 2001, 22:25:25 EDT. Just as obviously, she failed to comprehend the instruction at the bottom of the guestbook form: "[Submit] Your entry to AAPL for addition during next site update." Though she may have visited the site earlier, she only accessed pages in the guestbook prior to signing. Her undeniable ignorance of AAPL and its positions is exceeded only by her ignorance of embryology and fetology and the true nature of abortion as well. Hmm, "stupidest bunch of misfits" indeed!
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It doesn't matter if you're pro or con. If you're an evil atheist, you'll burn in hell. So come to Density Christian Life Community Fellowship and become a happy clappin' Child of God!!

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abortion helps eases overpopulation but the subjuct has been played out and is obviously stalemated, why don't you go on with your lives? I know I will after I leave this page and continue to not care about abortion...

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I couldn't agree with you more. I'm agnostic and also pro-life. I consider myself conservative. Why do we need religion to be good to others and support life.

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Thank you for reminding everyone that believing all human life is precious and worthy of respect. I happen to be Christian, and while my beliefs on abortion happen to agree with my religion - they are not based on it. The right to life is absolute - weather you believe that right was given to you by God, Buddah, Mother Nature, or mere scientific coincidence. I am glad to see a forum proving that not everyone who sees abortion as murder walks around with a bible in hand telling everyone they are going to burn in Hell. Keep up the excellent work!!

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Hi, I am doing a project for social studies on the pro-life and non-pro-life sides of abortion, and was wondering if I could do a interview with someone on their abortion views. I myself am pro life. All names will be changed for the project, and only my class will see it. The project is due March 1st 2001, and I would like to do this interview (via e-mail) ASAP!! If any one is interested, feel free to give me a shout!! Thanks a bunch!! :) Britney Hanson :)

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One more thing. I don't beleive that you are truly atheistic. I beleive you want to be. The fact that you brag on you heresy shows more of a rebellion than just a denial of a God's existence. The fact that you recognize Jesus as a prophet and ask questions such as, "Do you think we're evil?" shows that you know there is a God yet choose to defy Him. I think you know there is a supreme being, yet don't wish to defer to that being, and this site is a form of delusion. You need to brag to delude yourself into beleiving that you don't beleive. Now that you have been thoroughly psycho-analyzed, have a nice day. :)

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I specifically looked for pro-life arguments omitting diety so I could refute people logically without relying on religious bias. I believe that conception logically equals life and must therefore be protected. I basically agree with you, and if I were godless, would probably hop on the bandwagon. However, I have to ask, Where does this contempt for God come from? I can understand not believing, but why boast it? You don't think there's a God, fine, but what'd Jesus ever do to you? Why hate him? I don't beleive in Santa Claus but I don't malaiciously attack him. Does it fill some void to Jesus? Does it make you feel special and all groovily non-conformist to hate him? Do you just need someone to direct your anger toward and decide, hey, let's pick the most powerful man who ever lived? Why Jesus? He was by many accounts a non-violent loving miracle-working pacifist. You don't hate Ghandi, do you? Please explain this to me. I can understand you denying the existance! of God, but this irrational anger is not-healthy.

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Your last question is interesting. Why would anyone who defends innocent life be concerned about being considered evil?

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I am a Christian...but im not going to get all religious on you but I would like for you to take a minute and think about this.
As we all know...everything that you see somebody owns. If you have a house, or a car, you know you own it. But when you see Earth....who owns that? As we know, nothing can just appear. Someone has to own it. Why not God? Ive heard nobody else claim it!
Lets pretend you are God...and you own everything...you would atleast want the people to know you own it all right? That explains why the bible is here. I mean...if you won a new car, you would like people to know. Well the bible lets you know he is your ruler. And gives you the info we need. So we show we resemble God by doing the same thing. Letting people know who you are and what you got.
As for Jesus...its easy to understand. We all know that seeing is more convincing than hearing or reading. Could that be why Jesus was sent here? If you needed to see to believe, he was your answer. I mean, how much more proof do you need?
By hieroglyphics and other text...there is proof that there was a man named Jesus and claimed to be the Messiah.
They have also found what appears to be Noahs Ark. An expedition is going out possibly this year to get to the Ark. It sits on Mount Ararat. The same place the bible says it sits landed at after the flood. Its preserved in ice and its very difficult to see and get to.
Scientist have found that the Earth flooded majorly...around the same date described in the bible!
Atheist should review all religions instead of locking themselves to Atheism because they were raised that way. I reviewed Atheism and just thought of it as a way to not have to go to church or worry about religion at all just to make life easier. No offense, but its just to easy to be Atheist. The easy way out as they say.
At least read the bible and compare it to how the world is today and you will notice that a lot of it has already come true and more is to come.

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Wonderful site. I was here once before, but I had a really slow computer then, and couldn't browse around very well. But with my new computer I had a chance to glance around. It's nice to see individuals breaking the pro-life mold the media has put onto us. Not all pro-lifers are extremely religious and far to the right (even if you are, that is not a bad thing, you are pro-life!) Much thanks to those who choose to support a pro-life position against the harsh opposition we have today.

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Hello, are you aware that your guestbook cannot be added to? I would like to say that I am glad I found your website through a recommendation from a person on "beliefnet.com." I thoroughly agree with you aims and your mission statement. Many thanx. Don't Give Up!!! John

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As a fellow atheist, it is a relief to know that there are others who view abortion as I do. I belong to our local pro-life group, but I am the only atheist there, and, although I am always made welcome, I just wish other non-believers would use a bit more critical judgement in this field instead of just slavishly following some "party line" about it. We deplore "articles of faith" in religions, but it seems to me that the secular moment is becoming a kind of non-godly "religion" with anyone who dissents being regarded as a "heretic"... sounds familiar?! You put it in a nutshell when you say "life is all there is". I regret that there is no secular equivalent of the word "sacred", but the reason it should always be inviolate is because once taken, it can never be restored. Keep up the good work, and count on me as a comrade in the struggle for true secular morality in this field.

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Thank you so much for this site. Pro-choice people always relate anti-abortion views to religion, and it makes me wanna scream! Just because I don't believe in a higher power doesn't mean I can't make decisions about right and wrong. Rock on dudes, rock on. P.S. If anybody wants to chat, please e-mail me. I'd love to hear from you!

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I am an agnostic pro-lifer, and I believe that the religious and non-religious need to live in harmony in order to accomplish great feats. I also believe that the abolition of abortion (except in cases of rape, incest, or endangerment of the mother's life) would be a great feat. Continue spreading the word about every human's right to live, and together we can accomplish this goal. If there is a God, may he bless you.

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I am glad to find out I am not the only pro-life atheist out there. I believe that advocates of pro-choice have used scare tactics to try to get people to join their side of the debate. They make it seem as if anyone who opposes abortion is a religious nut who wants to end women's rights. (Actually, the early feminists were all pro-life, so how about them apples? :)) Anyway, anything that can be done to make people realize being pro-life is a logical stance should be applauded. Nice job.

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there are three requirements ... for AAPL membership; one must: 1) be an avowed atheist, agnostic, or other nontheist OK,lets take it from here. WHY? Why is it SO important to be a "NON Theist" if you can say such a thing actually exists. HOW can you call yourself an ATHEIST? an atheist is one who dissavows the existence of any God. HOWEVER I've never run across an atheist that doesnt FIGHT against Christianity. Of course you've never heard of an atheist fighting buddhism or any other major religions, it's always the God of the bible. WHY? I would guess that it's because that is the only threat you feel, because you KNOW that Christ is there & you cant stand the thought of turning you life over to Him. I've even watched the atheist viewpoint television program....What a farce! Why fight so adamantly against something that doesnt exist? I've never created a t.v. program advocating the unity of non-believers in santa or the tooth fairy...If I dont believe in them, I simply dont believe. I dont start newspapers,t.v & radio programs, weekly meetings, planned agendas, I mean come on! If He doesnt exist what is ALL THIS FOR?

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I must say that I am very surprised to find this website. (Even somewhat surprised to find that one of my friends is a member.) I, too, believe that abortion is wrong, though I believe it is a question of morality. I believe it is wrong, because God says it's wrong. I question why you (and those who hold this viewpoint) believe abortion is wrong. If there is no higher authority to deem it wrong, then who's to say that killing babies is good or evil? If there is no life after death, then wouldn't it be better for babies not to live & go through all of the suffering in this world? I believe that babies should be allowed to live, even if they suffer now, because there is a better life ahead & what we do in this world as fallen men & women has eternal significance. Thanks for listening. I commend you on your fight to stop the murder of unborn children, even if our reasons differ.

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I think its great that you have a website that shows the world that we agnostics are moral, caring, concerned people. That we are not the immoral, self-centered, demons, many Christians make us out to be.

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Although I myself am a Christian (a Catholic to be more specific), I have to give you guys a lot of credit for proving that one doesn't need to be a Christian or a conservative to stand up for the right to life. Why does Big Abortion like to downplay abortion as a "religious issue" when in fact abortion is not even mentioned in the Bible?! It's organizations like yourself that will help us win the abortion war. We need guys like you to show that pro-lifers come from all walks of life, not just Christians or Republicans. But try telling the media that...

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We have linked to your site from ours. http://www.ultimatenetwork.com/links_for_liberals.shtml#Most Polarizing Issue in America today

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Hi. If anything, pro-life atheists should make themselves more heard. I'm Catholic. It irks me that people like my Church's teaching on positions they agree with-- like say, the living wage, or the environment. They think such a position is "obvious" to anyone and arguable on a philosophical level. But bring up issues like abortion-- well, that CAN'T be argued philosophically (re: we don't want to get into a reasoned debate). If atheists spoke up, it would occur to the general public that you do not need to be religious to be against abortion. All you have to do is ask yourself: is human life intrinsically valuable? And: is a fetus a human life. Some elementary investigation will draw the logical conclusion. While I firmly believe in divinely revealed dogma, I find it extremely hypocritical for secularists to criticize the Church for her dogma, and then turn around and create dogma for others. If they either chose to believe in dogma, or opened their minds to other positions, at least their position would be consistent. I hope and pray some day that there will be a left-leaning party in Canada with a strong pro-life platform. Pro-life atheists are welcome to argue the atheist pro-life position on my Catholic/Non-Catholic message board.

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AAPL keeps getting bigger and better. I am proud to see so much diversity in the pro-life...and more people come forward every day! I thought the members of AAPL might be interested in knowing there's another new "non-traditional" pro-life site starting: Libertarian Pagans for Life. Any pro-life person may join. Check out the mailing list at http://libpagans4life.listbot.com/ It's not my mailing list...however, I believe all non-traditional pro-lifers should be willing to stick together and support one another, even if we dont have the same outlook on other issues.

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I am writing an editorial for my college newspaper, The Falcon of Seattle Pacific University, about the need to stop restricting the pro-life movement to just churches and religious organizations, and I would like to use this organization as an example of the diversity of pro-lifers. I am an evangelical Christian but I see the pro-life movement as one that crosses over into all belief systems, and one that needs the support of a wide range of people in order for meaningful legislation against abortion to be passed and for public attitude to change, as it is starting to now. Kudos to your efforts to expand the pro-life movement out of just a religious movement that limits its potential and effectiveness to those for whom religious arguments are not convincing.

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"All too often, I fear that I'm the only nonreligious person who opposes the genocide of abortion used as a birth control substitute. Accordingly, I have created this web site as a virtual rallying point and clearinghouse for all atheists, agnostics, and other "godless" people who call themselves "pro-life." Many religious people are pro-abortion. Perhaps, you are not as "godless" as you appear.

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I am a Christian, but am very, very, VERY relieved to see that there are those who are not in any way religious that see the deep evil in abortion. Keep up the good work. It is only by uniting that we will be able to make enough people aware of this blight on society.

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I am a closet agnostic. I have no desire to be saved by my mom, sister or friends. But mostly I am waiting to have that conversation with my children when they are older and explain my views and let them know it is their choice. I view it now for them like Santa Claus. That and hey, I might be wrong! I asked my OBGYN what he thought of partial birth abortions. He could not think of a single case in the literally thousands of pregnancies he's dealt with, any instance it would be necessary for the life of the mother. I urge everyone to ask their health care provider their opinion on this procedure. I see anyone who supports this procedure in order to protect abortion rights in general to be a "special interest" group of the worst kind.

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Although I'm not agnostic (I'm a Catholic christian), I think the fight for life is so important, it goes beyond denominations, beliefs, creed, etc. I'm adding your web ring to the pro life site I'm developing. I hope you "surf on in." God Bless!!

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The sanctity of human life is the sole foundation of all ethics, so I highly doubt you are evil. The preservation of human life outranks anyone's choice. The vast majority of abortions are pregnancies that could have been avoided by birth control or simply not having sex. There lies the woman's choice; in not getting pregnant to begin with.

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My points exactly, or at least close enough. If you don't want a child, don't conceive one! Once you conceive a child, you are morally obligated to provide for her and to protect her until maturity. Aborting her, that is, killing her in utero, is reneging on your parental responsibility, hence the height of immorality.
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I think your viewpoint is intelligent and well reasoned-for an atheist anyways (that was just a joke *smile*). Even though I am proud to be a Christian, I have always thought arguing on purely secular and logical terms is a more effective way to discuss abortion than religious beliefs. However, whenever I've entered into debates on abortion I've found myself shouted down on the basis that I'm a "bible-thumping, narrow minded, sh** head" (this is an actual quote) when I've never even mentioned the word God. So, its nice to know that there are people who can agree with me who don't even share my personal beliefs. Question. You sound like a very intelligent person. Most of my friends are atheists, yet I can never discuss with them serious matters like abortion without them bringing up my religious views as a deterrent. Would you be interested in opening up a dialogue, on abortion or anything at all?

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i am a christian pro-lifer but i fully support you in your struggle because we are in this together and you can have a powerful voice because you are not christian so people do not think you are religious zealots. so good luck and you are on my links page check it out if you want to.

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The prochoice argument that always seems to stop christian prolifers of which I am one is "You shouldn't inflict your religious beliefs on others" Does this mean All laws based upon the bible should be repealed. Thou shalt not kill - murder, manslaughter, etc; Thou shalt not steal - theft, robbery etc. All laws are based on our morals and our morals are based on our parents morals and their parents morals etc. I believe Christianity is the cross between religion and morality. Praying to God is the religion bit, opposing abortion is the moral bit. So now I'll be accused of inflicting my moral views on pregnant women. Well maybe lets open the prison gates and repeal all the laws of all the lands. Let's all do what we want to 'cos we wouldn't want to inflict our moral views on others would we. Pro choicers do it all the time with regards to other issues. Pro choice (but only on abortion) Athiest prolifers need to show their face more because that is what will win over public opinion. The church may not like what you stand for in some respects but If they continue sending out the ultra religious to make statements like "Only God has the right to take a life" they will fail. If a high profile prolife atheist and others of like mind teams up with the Pope and other prolife christians to destroy abortion they will succeed.

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The notion that humans are somehow inherently different from other animal species is one that is rooted in religious, rather than rational, thought. I see no rational basis for your implied contention that human embryos are any more valuable than cattle embryos. Your attempt to place humans on another level is logically inconsistent and ultimately undefendable without resort to religious arguments.

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I think if there were more atheists who were vocal in the prolife movement it would really help a lot.

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You ought to sell merchandise, Seņor Wallace. I would proudly wear an "Atheist and Agnostic Pro-Life League" T-shirt.

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I hope atheist pro-lifers are keeping an eye on this debate: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/carrier-roth/ I must wonder if the increased visibility GodlessProlifers has given atheist pro-lifers may have played a role in the decision to publish that debate rather than just presuming pro-lifers are "the enemy".

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I am very pleased to see that their are people who claim to not believe in God out there who do beleive in the sanctity of life. Maybe there is hope if Christians and others who believe in Life will come together to save lives.

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As an anti-choice, ex-Christian, I applaud your efforts. Ironically, moral dilemmas regarding the treatment of innocent children in the Bible played a large part in my abandonment of Christian faith (Hosea 13:16, Psalm 137:8-9, 1 Samuel 15:1-3, ad infinitum, ad nauseum). I thought I was the only pro-life infidel out there! One question: can you recommend any nontheistic anti-abortion charities? It seems all the serious support and counseling is being provided by religious organizations, which I support with mixed emotions. I'm sure others would be interested in knowing as well.

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